The headlines today...

[Fab Foodie]

When it comes down to it, no matter any other half-hearted attempts at justification, it's always farking immigration, isn't it?

Yes.
There are (because of Brexit) demonstrably fewer people in the UK. We have a recruitment problem in the NHS, hospitality, logistics. Yet it's still about brown people coming here in boats....

 

[Deleted member 49]

Migrants.....a manufacturered crisis to distract from the bigger issues.

But enough of this wokey logic,we've a culture war to fight.

 

[BoldonLad]

Migrants.....a manufacturered crisis to distract from the bigger issues.
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But enough of this wokey logic,we've a culture war to fight.

No problem with refugees coming here, but, for balance how about a comparison taking into account country size, France, for example, is more than a smidgen bigger than UK.

France is 2.3x bigger than UK, in land area

Germany 1.5x bigger than UK, in land area (so, still doing well on the refugee front)

 

[Deleted member 28]

Can you demonstrate that the UK is overcrowded?


Because by any measure it's simply not. It's a tired old trope that's endlessly trotted-out for the hard of thinking....

There's 10 Million or so more people here than there was in the '90's so that's enough proof I need, you're the hard of seeing mate that's the problem.

Just look at net migration, it's steadily increasing year on year.

 

[swansonj]

There's 10 Million or so more people here than there was in the '90's so that's enough proof I need, you're the hard of seeing mate that's the problem.

Just look at net migration, it's steadily increasing year on year.

Would you care to tell us at exactly what point the UK became "overcrowded"? Is the threshold precisely 10 million less than we have now?

 

[newfhouse]

There's 10 Million or so more people here than there was in the '90's so that's enough proof I need, you're the hard of seeing mate that's the problem.

Just look at net migration, it's steadily increasing year on year.

How confident are you that the party you voted for will reduce net migration? Are you concerned that they won't even declare a target any more, or do you still have faith?

 

[Deleted member 28]

How confident are you that the party you voted for will reduce net migration? Are you concerned that they won't even declare a target any more, or do you still have faith?

Not really but I doubt Labour ever will, I saw Brexit as a chance at least.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Not really but I doubt Labour ever will, I saw Brexit as a chance at least.

What about accepting we need migrants ? That the Tories and Labour know this but play on people's fears....

 

[matticus]

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Would you care to tell us at exactly what point the UK became "overcrowded"? Is the threshold precisely 10 million less than we have now?

An odd question, MrJ.
Were either of you around in 1800? Unlikely to notice an increase that happened that long ago.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Seems to me it's you that's banging your head, it appears you know better but whatever you do or say the dreaded Tories seem to keep getting in.

Not here, lil' buddy. Scotland has not elected a Tory government in sixty six years.

Still doesn't get their boot off our necks, though.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Not here, lil' buddy. Scotland has not elected a Tory government in sixty six years.

Still doesn't get their boot off our necks, though.

I would imagine life must be perfect up there then, especially when Labour was in 'down here '.

 

[newfhouse]

I would imagine life must be perfect up there then, especially when Labour was in 'down here '.

I imagine many Scots (and don’t forget the non-Scottish residents of Scotland) think there are a few more steps to be taken before perfection becomes a serious prospect.

Is there a reason that you want to frame matters as either perfection or shite? Is it perhaps that subtlety and shades of grey negate whatever argument you think you’re making?

 

[Xipe Totec]

I would imagine life must be perfect up there then, especially when Labour was in 'down here '.

Hardly. There is a corrupt UK Tory government and their attack-dog media, hell-bent on removing the little autonomy Scotland is allowed, lying and misinforming on an industrial scale, undermining and demeaning Scotland's legitimately elected government, while asset-stripping the nation's huge wealth of natural resources. For a start.

When Labour was 'in down there', yes, things were better. Amongst other things Scotland achieved devolution and gained its own parliament under Labour - and also sent a large majority of Labour MPs to Westminster. Scotland elected Labour governments for many, many years.

 

[cookiemonster]

Not really but I doubt Labour ever will, I saw Brexit as a chance at least.

But we were told many times that brexit would increase immigration, not reduce it, as the EU will have no legal obligation to stop migrants heading to the UK.

We’re seeing the results of shutting the doors on the economy.

 

[cookiemonster]

Hardly. There is a corrupt UK Tory government and their attack-dog media, hell-bent on removing the little autonomy Scotland is allowed, lying and misinforming on an industrial scale, undermining and demeaning Scotland's legitimately elected government, while asset-stripping the nation's huge wealth of natural resources. For a start.

When Labour was 'in down there', yes, things were better. Amongst other things Scotland achieved devolution and gained its own parliament under Labour - and also sent a large majority of Labour MPs to Westminster. Scotland elected Labour governments for many, many years.

The days of Scotland sending loads of Labour MPs to Westminster are long gone, thankfully.