UK set to criminalise illicit refugee crossings....

icowden

Über Member
As for the other three groups you describe, ie

- bona-fide asylum seekers
- economic migrants
- criminals

your proposed solution sounds reasonable, although, I can imagine that determining the status of each individual may take some time, after all, it is hardly going to be a case of having a series of doors marked "bona-fide asylum seekers"; "economic migrants" ; "criminals' is it?
The thing is that it isn't reasonable. You have to look at asylum seekers and work out the percentage of each. I think the percentage for "criminals" is almost 0%.

If you *were* a criminal would you
(a) steal in the country you live in to try to make money
(b) Pay thousands of pounds to travel a long and dangerous journey risking life and limb to get to a country with better pickings

It's just not a realistic prospect. Does crime go up around asylum seekers? Yes. Unquestionably. That means they are criminals right?
Or does it mean that if you don't allow people to work, buy food etc, that they are likely to nick a mobile phone and try to get someone to buy it so they have money?

The share of asylum seekers in the local population is related to a 1.1% rise in property crime but no change in violent crime. A rise in A8 migrants as a share of the population is associated with a 0.4% fall in property crime and has no relationship to violent crime​

Bell et al. (2013) examine local crime patterns in England and Wales from 2002 to 2009 in order to determine whether there is any causal effect of an increase in the foreign-born population on crime. They focus on two large groups of migrants that arrived in the UK over this period. First, asylum seekers arising initially from the dislocations in former Yugoslavia and subsequently from war-torn societies such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Second, the large migrant flows coming from the A8 countries, particularly Poland, since 2004. The research showed that it is possible to derive causal estimates for both migrant groups and found that the share of asylum seekers in the local population was related to a rise in property crime, while a rise in A8 migrants was associated with a fall in property crime. Neither group was associated with statistically significant changes in violent crime. Estimates suggest that a one percentage point increase in the asylum seeker share of the local population is associated with a 1.1% rise in property crime. Since asylum seekers accounted for only around 0.1% of the population, the macro effects were small. A one percentage point increase in the share of the population that was born in the A8 countries leads to 0.4% fall in property crime.
Bell et al. (2013) suggest that the estimated effects for asylum seekers and A8 migrants may be the result of differences in the labour market opportunities of the two groups. The A8 migrants who arrived in the UK came almost entirely for work reasons and have higher employment rates than the UK-born. The motivation of asylum seekers was different, and they are not allowed to work in the UK upon arrival and also have reduced access to welfare benefits. Given the lengthy process involved in deciding asylum applications, this restriction is likely to have increased the relative returns to crime.
 

BoldonLad

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The thing is that it isn't reasonable. You have to look at asylum seekers and work out the percentage of each. I think the percentage for "criminals" is almost 0%.

If you *were* a criminal would you
(a) steal in the country you live in to try to make money
(b) Pay thousands of pounds to travel a long and dangerous journey risking life and limb to get to a country with better pickings

It's just not a realistic prospect. Does crime go up around asylum seekers? Yes. Unquestionably. That means they are criminals right?
Or does it mean that if you don't allow people to work, buy food etc, that they are likely to nick a mobile phone and try to get someone to buy it so they have money?

It wasn’t me who introduced those categories, I simply quoted them.

I understand exactly why and how crime might increase in such circumstances.
 

Mugshot

Über Member
When Nathalie Elphicke thinks Cruella's deal with Macron is shoot then we are in trouble....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-to-curb-migration?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

More money spaffed on an impossible belief.
Tell you what Cruella, spend that cash on speeding-up the asylum process, am certain it will be better for all....

Sheer incompetence....

Take back control of our borders and finances so we can pay France to take back control of our borders, it's genius!!
 

shep

Guru
Take back control of our borders and finances so we can pay France to take back control of our borders, it's genius!!

Ship them off to Devon onto @Fab Foodie estate.
 
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Fab Foodie

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Prime minister says stopping people crossing Channel in small boats is his ‘most pressing priority’

REALLY????

FFS - The country is going down the financial toilet and this is his most pressing priority?

What a stupid lying daffodil.

£63 Mill he just given to the French. Macron has immigration issues on it's southern coast and a spat with Ms Meloni too boot. Am sure migrants leaving his shores for the UK are pretty low on his priorities. But hey Rishi, thanks for the cash you twat....

Of course add the £63M to the £140M spaff to Rwanda and that's some serious cash that could have been invested in something better than satisfying the slatherings of a few xenophobic gammons down the Con club.....

What's really galling is that very little will change. The Tories are drawn to this issue like moths to a flame and they'll keep getting burnt....
 
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Prime minister says stopping people crossing Channel in small boats is his ‘most pressing priority’

They don’t really want the crossings to stop. What would they do without a ready made enemy? This rehash of the existing deal gives the appearance of action to keep the RWNJs onside, but also gives them the perfidious French to froth over when nothing much changes. There’s a reason none of them will say what success looks like.
 
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