UK set to criminalise illicit refugee crossings....

[Fab Foodie]

Hopefully. This sort of thing isn;t helpful though:-


If only there were some sort of solution?

Hang on...

And what happens to asylum seekers once they are granted asylum (refugee status)?

So the reason that 37,000 asylum seekers are in hotels costing the UK taxpayer £5.6 million per day is that no-one has managed to get around to completing 37,000 asylum claims.

It therefore follows that if we processed the paperwork we would solve the problem!
Not only that but anyone granted refugee status can look for work. So some of those refugees would start paying in to the economy which would help fund the cost of processing newly arrived refugees.

But what could be the cause of the problem?


and


So it is literally f*ckwittery by Priti Nazi and Leaky Sue that is causing the problem. We could solve it by using the money we were going to use on planes to Rwanda to just process paperwork. We could make the process simpler. We could make the process easier. Sweden gets 4 times as many refugees as the UK but processes them on average in 173 days.

There was a former senior HO bod on the Toady prog this morning (around 0745) saying that IIRC current productivity rate per casework worker was 1.5 cases per week. Prior to 2018 it was closer to 4. Around 2018 the rate dropped possibly due to procedural changes. Pilots studies are being done to increase the current rate.
He said there are 9000 applicants in limbo that were due to be returned to the EU country they arrived from when the Brexit rules came into full force.
In his view the only solution apart from accepting the arrivals and processing faster was to be found in Brussels and Paris.

S'funny once again how Brexit gve us the opposite of what we were promised....

 

[Craig the cyclist]

There are about 40,000 towns in the U.K. so roughly one refugee each doesn’t seem too onerous. In reality many will be in family or other groups so most areas won’t see any at all.

You would be happy with a three year old being sent to a town on their own?

The problem with this maths though is that we have been told endlessly that they have come to the UK to be with family. If their family is in Atown, then that there is where they want to go. Because several families have been placed in Atown, more people come to join them, then their cousins rock up and their uncles, and they want to go to Atown too. Before you know it Atown has a small community develop, which means other people who arrive want to feel at home and go to Atown too, then their families arrive, and the services start to creek, the school gets fuller and tensions start to build.

If this situation was to develop in Ilfracombe, which in many ways is an island, quite remote, and serviced by a very small general hospital in Barnstaple you don't have to be a racist, Brexiteer gammon to see how tensions can rise do you? Especially as the 51 who arrived yesterday are the first half, they are expecting up to 120 in Ilfracombe in total.

 

[BoldonLad]

There was a former senior HO bod on the Toady prog this morning (around 0745) saying that IIRC current productivity rate per casework worker was 1.5 cases per week. Prior to 2018 it was closer to 4. Around 2018 the rate dropped possibly due to procedural changes. Pilots studies are being done to increase the current rate.
He said there are 9000 applicants in limbo that were due to be returned to the EU country they arrived from when the Brexit rules came into full force.
In his view the only solution apart from accepting the arrivals and processing faster was to be found in Brussels and Paris.

S'funny once again how Brexit gve us the opposite of what we were promised....

In the thread thus far, I have not noticed any acknowledgement that SOME of the applications may not be successful. Presumably, the unsuccessful applicants are returned to where they came from? how efficient/effective is this process?

If we are to accept that all of the arrivals are to be allowed to stay here (regardless of where/how they are housed, fed etc), why do we need to "process" them, why not just issue a Passport at point of arrival?

 

[newfhouse]

You would be happy with a three year old being sent to a town on their own?

What?

Before you know it Atown has a small community develop

How is this not a good thing? I thought even Tories pretend to encourage community spirit.

 

[icowden]

The problem with this maths though is that we have been told endlessly that they have come to the UK to be with family. If their family is in Atown, then that there is where they want to go. Because several families have been placed in Atown, more people come to join them, then their cousins rock up and their uncles, and they want to go to Atown too. Before you know it Atown has a small community develop, which means other people who arrive want to feel at home and go to Atown too, then their families arrive, and the services start to creek, the school gets fuller and tensions start to build.

Yes, that is an issue and it's a slightly tricky one to manage. It's done by trying to encourage the refugees to engage with the wider community and share local culture as well as their own. You can also manage it through things like housing policy and try and house several families from the same background in the same area, but the next group in a different area. Above all however is putting things in place so that they can integrate - language courses, employment, the art of queuing etc as well as encouraging the locals to welcome them and help them. They are people not burglars and rapists.

The asylum seekers in Ilfracombe had no intention of going to Ilfracombe. They were just dumped there so that's a bit of a straw man.

 

[Cirrus]

There are about 40,000 towns in the U.K. so roughly one refugee each doesn’t seem too onerous. In reality many will be in family or other groups so most areas won’t see any at all.

We pay tax precisely so that we can support people until they can fend for themselves.

Well, they best get on with it, 40,000 this year, probably the same number if not higher next year we will need the hotel rooms...

 

[Fab Foodie]

In the thread thus far, I have not noticed any acknowledgement that SOME of the applications may not be successful. Presumably, the unsuccessful applicants are returned to where they came from? how efficient/effective is this process?

If we are to accept that all of the arrivals are to be allowed to stay here (regardless of where/how they are housed, fed etc), why do we need to "process" them, why not just issue a Passport at point of arrival?

It's a good question, and I don't know all the details.
Pre Brexit we could return some back to Euroland for them to deal with - this route is closed.
Others should be returned to their country of origin...this assumes we have an agreement with that country to do so AND we can be confident that no harm would come to those returned, by the state or militant faction.
Problem is, that really narrows the options.
With Albania with whom we have an agreement, we can return failed asylum seekers.
Alternatively we can send them to a third party such as Rwanda - for a cost.
So AFAIK, the options are limited.

Having said all that, you have to process them first and that's where we're getting it badly wrong.

It's worth reiterating that the numbers claiming asylum here in the UK is low compared to EU neigbours, a point spectacularly missed by the rabble-rousing press....

 

[newfhouse]

Well, they best get on with it

Yes, they should.

40,000 this year, probably the same number if not higher next year we will need the hotel rooms...

If claims were processed in a more timely way there would be less need for hotel rooms. A large part of the problem is caused by preventing these highly motivated people working and standing on their own feet.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Well, they best get on with it, 40,000 this year, probably the same number if not higher next year we will need the hotel rooms...

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It's almost as if the government could not predict how many were likely to be coming....

 

[Cirrus]

It's almost as if the government could not predict how many were likely to be coming....

I doubt this gov could predict the time they were going to have a dump in the morning.

 

[BoldonLad]

Having said all that, you have to process them first and that's where we're getting it badly wrong.

Yes, they should.

If claims were processed in a more timely way there would be less need for hotel rooms. A large part of the problem is caused by preventing these highly motivated people working and standing on their own feet.

If we are going to let them stay anyway, either because they are, as many believe, potentially productive members of society, or, because we have nowhere to send them back to, why do we need to "process" them? Why not cut out the smugglers, by providing a free ferry crossing, and, issue a UK Passport, on arrival at Dover (or where ever)?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

You said one per town......

There are about 40,000 towns in the U.K. so roughly one refugee each doesn’t seem too onerous.

As some of the 40,000 are children, they would have to go on their own to make your maths work

You would be happy with a three year old being sent to a town on their own?

So why are you asking me 'What?'

What?

Anyway, I am now convinced this is not an issue and the NHS should immediately employ the overwhelming majority of the people coming across. A lady who was a founder of Care4Calais was interviewed on the radio and has said that 'the overwhelming majority of people arriving by small boats are doctors, pharmacists and university lecturers' Albania must be truly fucked now, they can't have many doctors and pharmacists left in the country!
Although I am left wondering how people who didn't bring their passports remembered to pack their degree certificates, and how do we know if they are their certificates if they have no other means of identification. Still, the lady said so it must be true, or she is incredibly gullible. The jury is out on that one.

 

[newfhouse]

As some of the 40,000 are children, they would have to go on their own to make your maths work

In reality many will be in family or other groups so most areas won’t see any at all.

HTH.

 

[Cirrus]

In reality many will be in family or other groups so most areas won’t see any at all.

I thought the majority were single men and that family groups were minority.

Edited to add some data:

From: - https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...ny-people-do-we-grant-asylum-or-protection-to

 

[Deleted member 49]

Never mind the cost of living crisis and the fact we broke the economy. Here’s some foreigners to get angry about....when all else fails ramp up the racism.