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Salty seadog
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And there lies the shame
You just have to accept that you've been shafted.
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And there lies the shame
BoldonLad
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Quite, there-in lies the risk
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We've already had that one.
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Of course you can. The French did it. The Romanians did it. All it requires is that you kick off your slippers, put yours shoes on and pick up a shovel.
Milzy
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This way requires a lot of violence & destruction. The population is too dumbed down for this to happen. Booze, gambling, drugs, TV/entertainment just enough freedom to keep the masses subdued and only go as far as talking about it on social media.
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Think a step above that. It's the fear of said violence that keeps people subdued. It's always the fear. The booze and whatnot is so we get wankered not having to think about the fact that we are bent over, repeatedly... The reality is, there would likely be less violence than you think. Even the Romanian revolution there was between 700-1300 killed, much less than austerity has caused. Probably not the high numbers one would expect either from the dictatorial regime of Ceausescu although the Warsaw pact countries were losing their grip at this point it's fair to say. But naturally, the chances of revolution of sorts in this country is around zero and we enjoy watching each other suffer more than themselves and have no aspirations whatsoever. Business as usual here in pillocksville country...
BoldonLad
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True, not a very significant death toll, provided you weren't one of the 700-1300.
No mention of the outcome, Is the average Romanian "better off" now?, several million of them don't seem to think so, since they have left the Country.
Milzy
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Seems to be many in Doncaster.
BoldonLad
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I wouldn't know, don't think I have had the "pleasure" of visiting Doncaster. I don't object to them leaving Romania, and/or coming to UK.
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I don't think several million Romanians left Romania because the ousting of Ceausescu didn't go well... I think it's fair to say that their revolution paved the way to Romania eventually joining the European Union and with It access to the single market and free movement which allowed Romanians to access more developed economies who's wages are higher for the same job. This is true of all countries once part of the Iron Curtain. This is no secret of course...
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BoldonLad
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True (the bolded bit).
Still does not answer the question "is the average Romanian, in Romania, materially better off after the revolution, than before?", or, did the Revolution simply change the snouts?
BoldonLad
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It is taking a long time, population has been falling for number of years.
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You can measure that against a number of factors.
A few pointers. Under the Ceausescu regime.
- Freedom of the press - News transmissions was limited to political leaders only.
- Television signals was transmitted 2 hours a day.
- Abortion was illegal and resulted in the deaths of over 10000 women who forced to use unconventional methods to abort
- Going to Church was illegal
- Emigration was illegal
- Romanians had to eat a "government scientific approved" diet.
- Petrol was rationed to 20 litres a month.
I think it is unreasonable for any revolution to translate into immediate improvements in quality of life, but i personally feel, as an outsider, with no relationship at all with Romania, that they are better off now financially, socially, materially and politically. What say you?
