What Do We Think So Far?

[Beebo]

As regards content on here, it seems to me 'news' is still often allowed in Cafe in the other place which is holding this place back - the Baldwin shooting being the latest example.

I started that thread with a thought that it would probably get moved, but as no one is able to offer any defence of the film crew it seems to have been let through. so some News is allowed.

The masks on trains thread is interesting there are quite clearly some very vocal anti maskers being allowed to offer counter comment with little support for their position.

 

[mudsticks]

There's is.

Prey enlighten of the method.??

 

[swansonj]

We are living on borrowed time until someone really tries to disrupt it.
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Very true, and what I was hinting at earlier.

So far, to give two examples, we have had a poster telling another poster to fark off. We all lived with that (we're still here) presumably in part because we decided it was a bit pathetic and they may have been drunk. And we've had a poster making racist comments about a footballer. We all decided to live with that, presumably in part because it was directed at a third party (in part also because it didn't appear to be consciously chosen or meant as abuse, more a case of underlying racist assumptions slipping out).

But at some point, a poster may embark on a sustained campaign of abuse of another poster, or may make racist comments (or comments equally offensive based on gender, disability or some other personal attribute) against one of us rather than a third party. When that happens, it would seem that we have no protection.

 

[mudsticks]

But at some point, a poster may embark on a sustained campaign of abuse of another poster, or may make racist comments (or comments equally offensive based on gender, disability or some other personal attribute) against one of us rather than a third party. When that happens, it would seem that we have no protection.

If they do, we can just sit on them til they stop right ??

 

[BoldonLad]

If they do, we can just sit on them til they stop right ??

Yes, that would work.... unless "we" don't like/agree with the person being abused

 

[mudsticks]

Yes, that would work.... unless "we" don't like/agree with the person being abused

We still wouldn't allow them to be abused though would we. ??

 

[BoldonLad]

We still wouldn't allow them to be abused though would we. ??

Well, I wouldn't, I can't speak for anyone else.

 

[Pale Rider]

We still wouldn't allow them to be abused though would we. ??

Posters on here 'like' abuse of those they disagree with, same as the other place.

I see they've lost their masks on trains thread.

The idea that poor behaviour was governed by the title of the sub forum was always nonsense.

It's disagreement that leads to nastiness, no matter where that happens.

 

[mudsticks]

Well, I wouldn't, I can't speak for anyone else.

Good

 

[swansonj]

We still wouldn't allow them to be abused though would we. ??

But how do we stop it, if someone sets out to do it and doesn't feel bound by the consensus norms here?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

But how do we stop it, if someone sets out to do it and doesn't feel bound by the consensus norms here?

It's made more difficult where there are no sanctions from moderators but I'd recommend starving them of the attention they seek. The maxim of 'Don't feed the trolls' applies, so I won't continue to engage with anyone who comes here just to disrupt.

 

[mudsticks]

We could always write our own code of conduct.. And get it commonly agreed upon ..
Or even borrow one from elsewhere..

If someone feels a poster is transgressing then they can repost the 'roolz' in thread, and say why they feel they're outside of them .

Others can draw their own conclusions, and ignore as they see fit

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Bizarrely literally just after I posted about the woodpecker pole, the electric pole replacement guys turned up for a recce.

Apparently they're all being replaced, next week except for Woodies one, because that particular one has been 'adopted' by BT..

Oh OK...

Still, good to hear that his home has been saved for now..


Oh and what happened to the thread at the other place, that was complaining about this place ??

It didn't become 'over heated' did it??

Off topic: if the woodpecker is feeding there, then there will be bugs in it but I'm sure that it won't mind if the pole is horizontal and a new electric pole installed.
On topic: I actually found the thread quite offensive. NACA was being presented as CC's other, where all the ''usual suspects'' hang out.

 

[mudsticks]

Off topic: if the woodpecker is feeding there, then there will be bugs in it but I'm sure that it won't mind if the pole is horizontal and a new electric pole installed.
On topic: I actually found the thread quite offensive. NACA was being presented as CC's other, where all the ''usual suspects'' hang out.

Yeah me too to the second part.

However, it was comically obvious that the 'agenda' re "only espousing sensible opinions" came from those who clearly believe only their opinions are in any way valid .

Or else can't stick up for their views, because they've never had them challenged in any meaningful way


You develop a thick skin to 'othering' after a while.

Being talked 'about' rather than talked to.

Try being a pretty average everyday, socially conscious eco feminist, for a few decades.

You get used to the name calling, and derision, in the end, it's just part of the landscape.
Sad, but just part of the 'job'


After a while you come to realise, that maybe it's better than being ignored altogether??

Means ,something has got through, even if it's being resisted by the 'bizniz as usual' guys.

But yes re woodpecker and bugs in that pole, definitely some kind of feeding station.

I think it will stay for now, the two new ones either side will be enough support for the electric and phone lines..

I think woodpeckers like upright, rather than fallen wood, safer feeding for them I guess.

Got plenty of other standing and fallen dead wood, for all the other bugs n beasties to hang out in and make their lives too .

It's a right busy little farm for all that

 

[Fab Foodie]

But how do we stop it, if someone sets out to do it and doesn't feel bound by the consensus norms here?

Simply put them on ignore.
It's a wonderful function that denies posters their audience. If we did this to those of a troll-like nature more often we'd end-up with a lot less background noise.