'Commercialising sexuality - son of superman is bisexual'

[winjim]

Tee hee.

I'll show the others , they'll doubtless find it funny too.

Of course it's nsfw but hey -

I'm 'the boss' so I get to decide

'My boss showed me sexually explicit videos at work'

 

[mudsticks]

'My boss showed me sexually explicit videos at work'

Did he / she Jim..??

Did it make you uncomfortable,?
Do you have a secure means of reporting??

 

[mudsticks]

'My boss showed me sexually explicit videos at work'

Ah now I get your meaning Jim

Crikey heck that was all pretty mild compared with some of the stuff they come up with .

Nothing explicit at all..

But you can imagine , working on an orgasmic farm, with a bunch of broad minded types, and any number of funny shaped vegetable .

The opportunities for 'lewd and earthy' humour, are boundless.

 

[mudsticks]

I'm not sure that the UK parliamentary system is the best example to use if you want to demonstrate a definitive and immutable definition of the word 'majority'.

Anyway... talk of representation of minorities on television brings to mind Whoopi Goldberg's reaction to seeing Lt Uhura on Star Trek. She reportedly ran through the house all excited shouting 'Come quick, come quick, there's a black lady on television and she ain't no maid!'. There was a black role model, an officer on a spaceship set in the future and it made Goldberg realise that she could aspire to be anything she wanted. And of course she ended up on Star Trek herself. So it's not 'PC shoot', it's really important in terms of demonstrating to people who may not otherwise realise that they can succeed, they can have opportunities, they can do what they want to do. Black kids thinking they have to be second class citizens, gay kids afraid of bullies, trans kids scared to be who they really are, we need to show them. This is what art and culture does, yes it reflects society but it should do so in a way which makes us think, and also demonstrate a better society which we can all aspire to be a part of. All of us.

Even on a much more prosaic, level I've been told that being a visible successful farmer who happens to be a woman , has inspired other women to come into this traditionally male dominated craft.

Same has happened in other trad STEM occupations.

It's far easier to be it if you see it.

 

[cookiemonster]

How naïve are you?

You genuinely think seeing more and more Gay/Lesbian, Mixed race couples etc on the television makes the people that need 'educating' more tolerant?

I'll let you into a little secret, it doesn't, it makes matters worse.

The more people see of this 'representation' I see the more think 'FFS, more PC sh*t on again'.

So do you take that attitude every time a character appears on the tv who’s gay/mixed race etc etc?

England is not majority white anymore. Gay people no longer need to hide who they are anymore. I came out as a 14 yo during Section 28, and I do not wish to see those days come back.

You’re beginning to sound a bit dinosaurish.

 

[the snail]

I'm not sure that the UK parliamentary system is the best example to use if you want to demonstrate a definitive and immutable definition of the word 'majority'.
...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority#Related_terms

 

[winjim]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority#Related_terms

QED

 

[AuroraSaab]

I don't think any of us think that people's attitudes are greatly changed by what they see on TV on a one off show or advert. And most of us know that companies are almost always more interested in doing what ever will generate revenue and gain traction with consumers than they are in doing the right thing.

Cynicism aside though, it's not unreasonable that tv reflects the make up of the UK more accurately and even over represents certain groups a bit. Sure, there will often feel like an element of tokenism which might grate a bit, but it's redressing a historical imbalance and giving visibility to people who were invisible for a long time.

I was discussing this with someone the other day. Apart from Ironside, were there any disabled people on TV in the '70's? Apart from scarred baddies, like Davros, I mean. Disabled people with jobs, actually taking part in society? I couldn't think of any.

 

[mudsticks]

I don't think any of us think that people's attitudes are greatly changed by what they see on TV on a one off show or advert. And most of us know that companies are almost always more interested in doing what ever will generate revenue and gain traction with consumers than they are in doing the right thing.

Cynicism aside though, it's not unreasonable that tv reflects the make up of the UK more accurately and even over represents certain groups a bit. Sure, there will often feel like an element of tokenism which might grate a bit, but it's redressing a historical imbalance and giving visibility to people who were invisible for a long time.

I was discussing this with someone the other day. Apart from Ironside, were there any disabled people on TV in the '70's? Apart from scarred baddies, like Davros, I mean. Disabled people with jobs, actually taking part in society? I couldn't think of any.

I mostly agree , although it's always a bit of a mystery when people say that public attitudes, are not changed by what they see on the screen..

So all those incredibly expensive adverts serve what purpose exactly??

 

[newfhouse]

I don't think any of us think that people's attitudes are greatly changed by what they see on TV on a one off show or advert.

Indeed. Normalisation through repetition is what works.

 

[Archie_tect]

I'm not bothered what someone looks like- I'm more bothered about what they say and what they do- and I judge them on that basis.

Some people are wonderful, some people are not!

 

[BoldonLad]

It would be nice if people genuinely didn't care.

If they found the fact that son of superhero X is portrayed as bisexual, as unremarkable as superhero X being portrayed as heterosexual.

Unfortunately this isn't the case yet.

There are people who are persecuted, harassed and even killed for being anything other than straight.

Until that stops being a thing, for anyone, we've got some work to do.

Normalising through representation can be part of this work.

Did I say otherwise?, if so, where?

 

[BoldonLad]

I don't think so. In order for a group to form the majority, they would need to be >50% of the whole. In iccowden's example, every group is a minority. In parliament, if a party doesn't have over 50% of seats, they can only form a minority government.

Thank you. The point I was trying to make, if we slice the cake enough, then, everyone will belong to a minority, just not the same minority.

 

[BoldonLad]

I mostly agree , although it's always a bit of a mystery when people say that public attitudes, are not changed by what they see on the screen..

So all those incredibly expensive adverts serve what purpose exactly??

Quite, I think it is safe to assume "advertising works", some of of us may THINK we are immune, but, I suspect the profit hungry capitalists know better.

The close relation of advertising, propaganda, can be pretty effective too.

The biggest problem I see, personally, with "social engineering" via TV, or, the Media in general, is, who controls it, and who decides what is "good" , or, "bad".

 

[Deleted member 28]

You’re beginning to sound a bit dinosaurish.

I'll take that as a compliment, cheers.

You fill yer boots my friend, I see no need to tell the whole world my sexual orientation but it seems certain groups do.