The whiff is growing- £2k worth of football tickets for Mr Starmer

[Rusty Nails]

Shouldn't that say "Some serial offenders get caught out.... "

There may or may not be other serial offenders (from any party), but, unless they are caught out, we do not know they are offenders.

And we cannot make weasel word comments about people, even politicians, being serial offenders when there is absolutely no evidence.

 

[BoldonLad]

And we cannot make weasel word comments about people, even politicians, being serial offenders when there is absolutely no evidence.

Who did I accuse of being a serial offender?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Who did I accuse of being a serial offender?

Sorry, not you, but making a follow-up point about the poster who raised it as an issue.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

And we cannot make weasel word comments about people, even politicians, being serial offenders when there is absolutely no evidence.

Hahaha, you are seriously saying that we cannot make comments about anyone until they have actually been found to be serial offenders?

 

[BoldonLad]

Sorry, not you, but making a follow-up point about the poster who raised it as an issue.

So, why not quote said poster?

 

[Rusty Nails]

Hahaha, you are seriously saying that we cannot make comments about anyone until they have actually been found to be serial offenders?

"Cannot" is not an order, just a saying as in "we cannot say naughty words like that, can we children".

 

[Rusty Nails]

So, why not quote said poster?

Because I was responding to, and expanding on, what you had said in your post. It's not rocket science.

 

[icowden]

If he hasn't reported this, maybe you could tell us what else he has never reported, and exactly how you know what else he has never told anyone about?

But he has reported it. Just late.

This is different from not reporting it (see Boris Johnson) and having to be dobbed in.

 

[icowden]

I have said it over and over but none of you seem to want to read those bits, I am not defending the Tories on any lies, I am pointing out that the weird group-think belief of 'Labour politicians make honest mistakes and Tories lie' is actually totally nonsense, they all lie when it suits and they think they can get away with it.

It's not a weird group think, and I am not particularly a Labour supporter. However on the available evidence it is usually true to say that when a Labour politician is caught in a lie, it's not *usually* because they are trying to conceal something for personal gain, whereas the opposite tends to be true of Conservative politicians. That's the nature of the beast.

Someone who supports capitalist "me first" policies, is naturally going to screw the system as much as they can and put themselves first. Someone who supports left wing socialist policies is more likely to use the system to benefit many people rather than only themselves.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

However on the available evidence it is usually true to say that when a Labour politician is caught in a lie, it's not *usually* because they are trying to conceal something for personal gain

You accept that they are lying, but then say they are not trying to conceal anything.

Why are they lying then?

 

[fozy tornip]

To give you something to mither about?

 

[fozy tornip]

For a dare?

 

[icowden]

You accept that they are lying, but then say they are not trying to conceal anything.
Why are they lying then?

You are quite right. I misspoke. Allow me to rewrite it so you can better understand it:-

However on the available evidence it is usually true to say that when a Labour politician is accused of lying, it's not *usually* because they are actually lying or trying to conceal something for personal gain, it is more *likely* to be a mistake, or a statement which can be later contradicted because the speaker was not aware of a fact at the time they were speaking.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

You are quite right. I misspoke. Allow me to rewrite it so you can better understand it:-

However on the available evidence it is usually true to say that when a Labour politician is accused of lying, it's not *usually* because they are actually lying or trying to conceal something for personal gain, it is more *likely* to be a mistake, or a statement which can be later contradicted because the speaker was not aware of a fact at the time they were speaking.

What you mean is that when a Conservative politician lies you are unwilling to ever believe they may have made a mistake or were not in full possession of all the facts. When a Labour politician lies you are more than happy to believe that a genuine mistake was made because you are a Labour supporter.

I broadly support the Conservatives (but do not always vote Conservative and voted remain in the referendum) and believe that Keir Starmer, Angela Rayner and the party machine lied about events in Durham. I also believe that David Lammy lied about his expenses, but we don't know why yet, as someone pointed out, he declared money before and after the ones he didn't. Some of you say 'look, that proves it was an honest mistake', I think if he was Conservative you would be more likely to say 'that's weird, why did he declare those, but not the others? What is he hiding?'

 

[Mr Celine]

At least @Pale Rider , for all his other faults, knew the difference between a lie and a misrepresentation.