Starmer's vision quest
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multitool
Shaman
Ah, the Aurora "literally".
Literally bollocks. Here are the front pages of Major UK newspapers today...
The Telegraph
And the Express:
And the Sun*
* not the front page, because there was no political content, but the most recent Labour article I could find.
Nothing regarding uk politics on the Metro, and the Times is behind a pay wall.
theclaud
Reading around the chip
As if that was comparable
Mick Lynch wasn't standing in a general election.
It's an example of a prominent political figure with an effective alternative media strategy. You know, the thing you claim is impossible.
theclaud
Reading around the chip
We're talking about a very obvious shift here, as you well understand. Starmer is playing on Easy Mode. He's the new beneficiary of the life support system that previously sustained the Tories. It can be switched off very quickly, as "Boris" found out.
multitool
Shaman
It's completely irrelevant for all sorts of reasons, not least because Lynch's entire role is to confront. The views of the public were of secondary importance to Lynch.
But, of course, you are arguing against yourself. Why on earth would Starmer adopt an aggressive approach to media when the approach he is taking is doing so well.
multitool
Shaman
You said the entire media was fluffing Labour, except the Mail. I've just pointed out that you are wrong.
You've got yourself into a corner here because you didn't think your stance out thoroughly. Is Starmer winning at this or not? You say he is, but you want him to change his approach to the media. Your argument seems to be that Starmer can change the overarching power of the media by being Lynch, whilst simultaneously acknowledging that he can't.
This is not your finest work.
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theclaud
Reading around the chip
Shall we go back to what this thread is about? Broadly speaking, your apparent take is that Starmer only has dogshit politics because that is a media strategy necessary to win an election, after which (trust me) his politics will become slightly less dogshit, but don't get carried away expecting too much because expecting anything other than working a shit or increasingly impossible job for low pay until we die waiting for healthcare treatment is like asking for the moon on a string. For you, the media panic and closing of establishment ranks over the democratic ferment of 2015-19 was mainly a lesson in not getting too uppity so as to avoid being crushed by the media barons, because that's something that wouldn't happen to sensible, moderate grown-ups and is all the fault of stupid people choosing the wrong leader. People keep trying to tell you in various ways that they have drawn entirely different conclusions from the same events, and for some reason you think berating them as thick or pretending their arguments are disingenuous is going to win them over to Team Starmer, or at least have them running away with their tails between their legs. Could it simply be the case that you simply share Starmer's technocratic mindset, and see running the country as a bit like stopping kids walking on the wrong side of the corridor?
qigong chimp
Settler of gobby hash.
Just to be clear, am I allowed to be underwhelmed by Starmer, and to say as much on a "minor cycling forum"?
multitool
Shaman
theclaud
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BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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So?, it clearly didn't fulfil the criteria of making the majority think they were going to be "better off", without it costing them personally.
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theclaud
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qigong chimp
Settler of gobby hash.
As if that was comparable
Mick Lynch wasn't standing in a general election.
Have I missed a GE?
theclaud
Reading around the chip
Let me know what you took and count me in for half a kilo.
