I see all the other forums [internet-wide I mean - not just The Other Place] are going through the same "But you all use oil every day!" trope ....
What pains me is not that I disagree with these people, but we have to struggle through the same tedious 6 pages of "debating" the basics before actually getting down to any useful discussion.
BIG news over on the other thread:
6 pages in: " bikes - especially carbon frames - use a lot of oil in their manufacture"
Who knew that?? If you didn't, go read the thread sheeple!
Like I say, BIG BIG news.
There is an important distinction made on the other thread, that is that there is oil that's burnt for energy and oil that goes into making things such as resins, medicines, plastics where the oil/carbon is effectively sequestered. So there will always be a need for oil, just less to be burnt in the future (hopefully)....
I was always led to believe that petrol, (and possibly, diesel) are buy products of the refining process, not the actual product. No idea if this is true or an urban myth.
Am pretty certain it's urban nonsense. Though crude oils differ and certain grades will be better for producing certain products....
Am sure we'll have a petrochemicals expert here somewhere....
...or even someone with a rudimentary understanding of using a search facility.
Unfortunately, what we're seeing in the other "discussions", is statements that Shell are getting their act together, moving in the right direction*, following the international agreements, blah blah blah ...But even now, they're still only investing a tiny proportion of their profits in renewables - versus the vast amount of dosh they spend on extraction of fresh fossil fuels.